is techno vanashing? - 2006/06/05 12:09hey does anyone think that electronica might be fading away? i mean, its never played on mtv, you hardly ever hear it on the radio, etc. the only place you really can be around techno is at raves and clubs, which are now bringing hip-hop and rap into the scene, i think that raves and clubs, gay or not, should be all electronica!
Re:is techno vanashing? - 2006/06/05 17:29It`s funny. When electronic music is gaining popularity everybody`s worried about it selling out and going mainstream. When it`s losing popularity, everybody`s worried about it disappearing forever. I don`t recall techno ever being a big part of MTV, except at 2am during Amp (is that still on?). Besides, MTV has long forfeit its mantle of underground music representative. It exists primarily as a youth culture factory, churning out new things for people under 25 to entertain (placate?) themselves with. Think about other forms of non-pop music and what`s become of them. Punk had its big surge in the 80s. Now many popular bands have elements of punk in their music and the underground scene remains healthy and vital. Jazz was the same way decades before. Has jazz disappeared? No, I wouldn`t worry about techno vanishing anytime soon. We probably won`t return to the glory days of a few years ago, but it will survive in some fashion. Take a look overseas to see how electronic music has found a place within mainstream culture. In the meantime, don`t give up in your support of the music you believe in. Attend electronic music events and show that there`s still an interest and still an audience. I guarantee, if artists know that there are still people out there who want to hear their music, they will continue to labor away on their synthesizers. Keep shinin`, Stan p.s. As for rap/hip-hop, I`m not sure I share the same perspective as you. There`s definitely some good hip-hop out there, just drowning in the ego-driven pop crap. Check out some stuff by Dan the Automator (Deltron, Gorillaz, Handsome Boy Modeling School). He`s pretty amazing.
Re:is techno vanashing? - 2006/06/05 20:45less than 60,000 heads are going to show up, probably more like 70,000, and not one artist there used mtv as a springboard to success. (and for what it`s worth, phish WILL be back, haha. everybody`s just doing their side thing right now. i just don`t want anyone to think the torch has been passed to panic, cause it hasn`t. not like that`s even relevant in here but whatever.)
Re:is techno vanashing? - 2006/06/05 21:02Music reflects the culture, it is inevitable that one day techno will go mainstream when the culture becomes futurist, but who knows how long that will be. Untill then we will have to understand that society`s biggest influence is the past.
Re:is techno vanashing? - 2006/06/06 02:34of Marinetti`s Futurist Manifesto, penned almost 100 years ago) reveals a startling similarity to present-day culture. Submitted here, for general contemplation, are the eleven "demands" if you will: 1. We want to sing the love of danger, the habit of energy and rashness. 2. The essential elements of our poetry will be courage, audacity and revolt. 3. Literature has up to now magnified pensive immobility, ecstasy and slumber. We want to exalt movements of aggression, feverish sleeplessness, the double march, the perilous leap, the slap and the blow with the fist. 4. We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. A racing automobile with its bonnet adorned with great tubes like serpents with explosive breath ... a roaring motor car which seems to run on machine-gun fire, is more beautiful than the Victory of Samothrace. 5. We want to sing the man at the wheel, the ideal axis of which crosses the earth, itself hurled along its orbit. 6. The poet must spend himself with warmth, glamour and prodigality to increase the enthusiastic fervor of the primordial elements. 7. Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man. 8. We are on the extreme promontory of the centuries! What is the use of looking behind at the moment when we must open the mysterious shutters of the impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We are already living in the absolute, since we have already created eternal, omnipresent speed. 9. We want to glorify war - the only cure for the world - militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman. 10. We want to demolish museums and libraries, fight morality, feminism and all opportunist and utilitarian cowardice. 11. We will sing of the great crowds agitated by work, pleasure and revolt; the multi-colored and polyphonic surf of revolutions in modern capitals: the nocturnal vibration of the arsenals and the workshops beneath their violent electric moons: the gluttonous railway stations devouring smoking serpents; factories suspended from the clouds by the thread of their smoke; bridges with the leap of gymnasts flung across the diabolic cutlery of sunny rivers: adventurous steamers sniffing the horizon; great-breasted locomotives, puffing on the rails like enormous steel horses with long tubes for bridle, and the gliding flight of aeroplanes whose propeller sounds like the flapping of a flag and the applause of enthusiastic crowds. Have we not reached this level of love for speed, destruction, audacity, and technology? Has the vision for a Futurist World come true, 100 years later? Is techno and electronic music not too relentless, but perhaps too *subtle* for our present culture? Where we tout vicious and uncompromising rhythms, is our music actually seen as lacking in the struggle and unmasked rebeliousness that grips our world, a land of memes? Some interesting questions.
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