Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/10 06:17I so didn`t want to hear about the drop in Love Parade attendances. I have been waiting for ages to find a time to go a give it a visit. Next year I would have finally been able to afford it. Is the Love Parade still any good anymore? Is it worth travelling half way across the globe to pay a visit?
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/10 15:09rave is in a period of serious regression right now and i don`t see anything wrong with that. many of the people that were into it for all the wrong reasons are simply drifting away. it leaves some breathing space for the rest of us. "have sex. do drugs. play videogames." "Politics is the shadow cast upon society by big business..."
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/10 18:16combination of wit *and* wisdom. So, most of the time I don`t disagree with his insights into the rave scene. However, I think that this condemnation of what rave has become is more doomspeaking than wisdom. Does he speak the truth? Sure, there`s nothing there that I`d call him out on. Kids continue, despite admonishment from police, promoters, and even other ravers, to bring drugs into raves. We have taken step after step toward becoming the stereotype we`re labeled by. And because of this, lost venues, promoters and artists that have had enough, and--oh yeah--scores of disillusioned kids who thought they were seeking something better have been cast aside. The facts lay there in front of us. And like a coven of haruspicators, we`ve gathered around the entrails of what was once a majestic beast, trying to foresee what comes next. [ A short aside: Atari was really popular for a while. Then it completely died. The momentum that videogames had been building all but disappeared. And of course, videogames stayed dead forever, right? ] [ Another short aside: I remember watching the Hulk Hogan cartoon in the 80s. Then "Professional Wrestling" entered this dark period where mentioning it got you laughed at for days. No one would have expected it to have a place in MTV`s antiseptic vision of youthful rebellion, right? ] [ A final short aside: World War One, Germany got pretty beat up. That`s why they didn`t play a major role in World War Two, right? ] I think we all agree here. Raves and rave culture are in a period of reevaluation. What`s important to us? Is staying up all night something that is vital to our community, or something that we can let slide in order to secure more venues and give the impression of less to hide? Is the open and welcom environment something that is essential to the vibe of the party, or will we be more selective in who we invite to the party in the future? Can we fucking leave the drugs at home or are we so hopelessly brain-munched that we don`t realize that having a good time is not the same thing as forgetting your own name especially at the expense of attracting unwanted attention from the authorities, media, religious groups, concerned parents, etc.? Sorry about that last one... It just gets to me sometimes. The solutions are out there. Reaching them is two-fold. First we have to put this gloom on the shelf and stop letting it affect us. Look around! This world is full of all kinds of people: punks, hippies, squares, freaks, fruits, vegetables, neo-nazis, dykes, pimps, hos, playas, priests, and pirates. Are you saying that "raver" shouldn`t exist in that list? Don`t you think we have a place in this world every bit as much as Reality TV Shows (which probably aren`t going away anytime soon either)? Second, we have to try a little harder. Just showing up at the party, paying your money, dancing and going home is no longer enough. We have to be pro-active about recruitment and vibe-spreading. Remember that first party you went to and someone you didn`t know at all was eager to meet you and find out about you? *You`ve* got to be that person now. Make sure that those people who would be a good addition to the scene stay and feel loved. Educate them on what it means to be a raver (and if you`re not sure yourself, find out!), tell them what`s happened in the past, and encourage them to look toward a brighter future with you. I`m not worried. What we have here is so amazing that it will always exist in some form. There will always be people out there who continue to make music, to spin records, to dance all night, and to let love pour forth from their hearts like glittery shimmers from a disco ball.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/11 00:25raves a few years ago. My close friends don`t really go to that sort of thing and every so often I would meet people that did go. Yes they all did drugs. I have never done a drug. The rave scene in Indy basically crashed (though it is still alive, just not as known) from it`s popularity. From inside sorces, the DEA was going to come down hard on the raves. This was right around the time some promoters down south got arrested under the crack house federal law. The local Indy police decided they wanted a piece of the pie and started coming down hard. I think this also had to do with NUVO (Indy`s socialist, left-wing
few off-duty cops are working the door, they seem to just ignore the teen drug use going on_. The raids came soon after these idiots printed this article. The Indy Star did a report on how some Indy promoters were holding parties in some of the state`s smaller cities. The War on Drugs destroyed the rave parties. Also, a few years ago a club or two started staying open later than 3am (when you can no longer sell alcohol). Now there are a lot of bars staying open late where one can sober up. Also, promoters (many of whom are getting a slice of the drug action) got to greedy. I am not going to pay $20 for a rave when I don`t do drugs and there is no guarentee of getting laid!!!! I may as well hit some of the clubs.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/11 01:35ago are growing up. Some in a good way, some in a bad way. A handful of promoters are in prision. One guy who was running E from Miami was jacked by the DEA. A few others are also in the slammer. This has proboly caused fear in a lot of people, especially those close to these promoters that had good rave attendance. Let`s also add the fact that teens might be getting a little smarter. They say sex and drug use are down in some areas. Could be due to seeing older brothers and sisters fucking their life up. Popular girls I know got knocked up and pushed out some bastards. Inner-city living has basically came to the burbs really strong in the last 3-5 years if you ask me. Though I don`t care for drugs, if I did start attending raves again it would be to try to get some ass. I don`t think it`s a `wrong reason` as any gathering is a way for the sexes to meet and possibly mate. Heard about a nice rave in Indy just a few weeks ago. Seems the promoters that got locked up were hand in hand with the drugs. Some anti-drug promoters are stepping up to the plate it would seem. The future looks interesting.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/11 05:49How, exactly, does any of this relate to capitalism? The War on Drugs didn`t do shit. The War on Drugs is a banner that people wave when they have other motivations for what they`re doing. Guarantee of getting laid? I`m sure you can find hookers, if you want to exchange currency for booty.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/11 15:26Its amazing. People who left a few yeasr back and took to clubs, me inculded, are back! and banging hard and fast! due to "firm but bfair" security and ID checks, and even if there were.... who cares? they are there to have agood time, leave them alone. They are not gonna act "like fucking morons" and noone does, excpet dance like a fanny, but everyone does that at a rave... Plus, openly admitting your a raver is a good thing. People dont think of them as drugmarts and things, they are all night parties... aqnd thats the way it is Wot legislation? I dont think we have those kind of laws in England money making music will be in clubs. Always will be. People who make tunes for the love of music want their tunes in raves. I know, cos I make a few tunes myself. Not for cash, for the fun. were raving 3-5 years ago are back in the scene. Not sure wot type of raves you been on about, but Im on about Hardcore, and over here, Hardcore rules the raves. Hard House/Garage/Tekno etc all havea part to play, but hardcore rules the roost 9 either..... or the thousands that are going to be at United Dance on Friday.... If your gonna make a post like this, please state which country/state/world u live in first. As the UK rave scene is soo strong its almost unbelievable
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 00:10you seem really passionate stan ive recently stopped taking drugs at raves, and its really opened my eyes. i never really noticed all the shit that goes on casue ive been in my own little world, but ive noticed that the scene is really fucked. i want to bash all the kids that come and are fucked of their face, they are a mess, they go skitz on the dance floor knocking into people, then they pass out along the walls , and theres seems to be more of them every time. i hate being asked if i have any drugs for sale, i hate undercover cops. i hate drunk dickheads picking fights. wtf i think im going to stay away awhile
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 07:36I didn`t write this - to quote my original post: "From
thought it would make for some interesting replies. For the record, I live in Sydney, Australia. guys have figured this whole raving thing out (with a little help of course), we can go on to our usual winter combo of `funky` venues and quality promotion/production, which the summer raves lack for some reason. I`m hyped. unofficially dubbed the "Sydney Rave Complex", where some of our biggest parties are held. Obviously, the greater Sydney population has no problem with raves.
about. What worries me is that the Sydney scene draws a lot of its momentum from elsewhere. If rave dies in other countries, it`s a fair bet that our scene will bleed in sympathy. Call me faithless, but I don`t know if we have enough originality and creativity to soldier on ourselves. I really enjoyed reading your post, apart from the little mistake you made as to the author of the original. It`s reassuring to hear that other scenes are going strong, especially in the UK, where most of our hardcore comes from (and Sydney raves are primarily hardcore parties). I hope you can keep it up over there.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 13:50so convincingly that it`s not possible to just dismiss it, as it is with almost any other `rave is dead` diatribe.
something that I love the way it is would (Heaven forbid) change. It sorta slipped my mind for a millisecond that the core of it, essentially what I love about it, will remain. In any case, it made for a good thinking exercise. I *was* planning to come back and post my own reply after a few days` consideration but you went and stole my thunder by making every point I wanted to make, and a helluvalot more. Once again, thanks Stan. =P -Charlie
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 14:37Okay... Maybe alt.rave has just been exceptionally active lately, but somehow I don`t think that there were ONE-THOUSAND EIGHT-HUNDRED EIGHTEEN posts yesterday. I think that the problem *may* lie in Microsoft Entourage continuously downloading the same three hundred headers over and over and over again. I had to go register with Google Groups just to post yesterday (which didn`t work, but allowed me to follow the discussions anyway). Things seem back to normal now, but what was that all about? Anybody else have the same problem? Probably not, I`m guessing--it seems to be a local thing. Oh well. Game on.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 18:41Oops, pardon me. My computer has just finished grabbing the other headers. It would appear that I can now access all 5365 messages posted to alt.rave yesterday. Keep shinin`, Stan
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 21:47My god, if yesterday`s headers on alt.rave continue to multiply at this phenomenal rate, by this time tomorrow they will have consumed your entire system. All you can do is isolate that hard drive and do it quickly. Obtain a lead lined box for this purpose. Aside from that, all that we can do now is pray that it hasn`t spread. Damn you, yesterday`s headers on alt. rave, damn you all to hell! johnny (in the basement) "Life is short, frolic hard!!!"
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/12 23:06Im seeing an influx of everything new and good... and i know some wikkid DJ`s... Look out for DJ Voltage - trust me on this one dubbed the "Sydney Rave Complex", where some of our biggest I dont find it annoting i quite like day-glo and bright colours at raves, brings back memories of workmans jackets etc saying rave is dead, when they know nothing about todays scene. Its like the review DJ DNA did of Bonkers : Rezzurection, if you know the Bonkers series youll no doubtedly know this is the latest after a long gap... He slates it calling it a "dead donkey of a genre" ......... my arse!
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/13 06:59unless there was money to be made. I am sure there are a few. I actually didn`t get a paragraph in my original post. Saying that Capitalism won and rave is dead (or whatever was said) is just laughable. Problem is the cops have locked up the promoters and most spots have yet to be filled. arrested in New Orleans (if I recall, I can search if you need me to) under the Federal Crack House law. These arrests (the Indy ones) caused the number of raves to go down and some to go to other cities. Unless people in the south are just plain stupid I don`t think many people with the knowledge and backing to hold a rave actually did. Of course we have no statistics of people saying, "Due to the increase number of my friends, fellow ravers, whoever....getting busted, I will not hold a rave I planned to have." Granted the War on Drugs is a power trip for cops, it has lead to decrease rave activity.
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/13 16:17up most of my `rave-wear` by strolling into K-Mart and picking up the brightest colours I see. I just don`t agree with this concept that some people have that you *have to* dress up as a fairy or something at a rave. It`s especially annoying when their attitude doesn`t match their clothing ... have you ever copped death-stare off a smurf? It`s not a pleasant experience ...
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/14 01:44Its great that people CAN dress stoopid at a rave and get away with it! Thats one thing I like... but yeah if they`re gonan do it they may aswell have the right attitude to go with it.... We get them all over here we do!
Re:The death of Rave? - 2006/06/14 06:13started up. A lot of promoters got really scared. The bigger parties ceased for a while and the smaller parties were more careful in advertising. It might have looked like they all went away. A year later in Indiana, there are still parties out there. However, they measure their attendance in hundreds instead of thousands. Indeed, even attempts at big parties seem to fail. Perhaps the multitudes of kids showing up to events a year ago have found somewhere else to go? It all just seems like a real shame. Something so beautiful and so good forced underground just as it was taking off. It might very well be that the underground is where it was born and where it must, then, live.
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